they're self-depricat busineing. it's like this giant wet blanket, even on this night, which is to benefit children through a religious charity, it gets kind of weighed down. >> mark, let's play more and i'll get to you weigh in. >> one of the things i noticed tonight, and i've known hillary for a long time, is this is the first time ever -- ever, that hillary is sitting down and speaking to major corporate leaders and not getting paid for it. it's true. it's true. true. you know, last night, i called hillary a nasty woman, but this stuff is all relative after listening to hillary rattle on, and on, and on.