people so i have my force so that i can, as i always have, declare victory even after a defeat and i think what you'll see is you will see him play to his base as he has been doing the last three weeks and he won't make one move in the direction of those people he needs to win. >> are you a bruce springsteen fan? >> i am, indeed. >> who doesn't love the boss. he said -- bruce springsteen came out in an interview and said trump will go nuclear, nuclear, if he loses. if he does lose come november 9, what does that look like? >> it's funny, at the very beginning when i said the prospect of donald trump as president was terrifying, i think the prospect of him losing is almost -- not quite -- but almost more terrifying because i think his need to build back his own sense of self-worth will make him willing to blow up democracy in any way that he can, meaning he'll dispute the