in the breitbart -- they don't call themselves this is but the breitbart alt-right media world where they like to be behind the curtain and rage against the establishment. right now he's using donald trump and his support for donald trump as a vehicle for that so the fact that you were able to talk to him, that's why this is -- >> appreciate him answering questions. >> he spends his time at the offices of the "national enquirer," he spends his time with trump giving advice. what was striking to me was his comment about the rallies. look at the rallies. look at the anger. trump is not starting thing aer, trump is just taking advantage of it. >> by the way, on that note, what do you think happens to the anger once somebody gets elected president? i mean, listen to this crowd. >> people are angry and that's where i think it is somewhat disingenuous to say it's just out there and trump has nothing to do with it. as the leader of this movement -- >> exactly. >> and he has called himself the