but i also -- also believe that on the substance hillary clinton can be wonky. we know that. but he has to go toe to toe with her on policy. >> is that really true -- >> to a degree. >> -- skeptical. >> i'm a nerd. so i would love for us to have a substantive debate. i love the stuff. but here is what i think. he has a hard time now. his constant talking about our elections not being legitimate is very dangerous. and there is a way in which he's almost hardening his base to not accept the outcome of the election. that is not presidential. that is the opposite of presidential. listen, the republicans actually i think have a case to make about bias at this point. i think if you are a republican you could be forgiven for saying when it comes to bill clinton, we can forgive personality defects and focus on policy. when it comes to donald trump we