she's basically been doing. she's essentially been running -- to say it's a non-campaign is not quite right, but she's been saying as little as possible, i don't think it's helpful for her anytime the public hears the words e-mails and state department, in any conversation. i don't know how many of the details people are actually able to process, because it is a somewhat complicated story. but it's certainly not a help to her. and i think that she will do everything she can to not talk about it. >> paul, it does play into, you know, the long-standing criticisms of her about lack of transparency or a tendency for secrecy or a belief that the rules don't apply. >> yes, and the e-mail thing has done an enormous amount of political damage to her, enormous. this is a career diplomat who had a very similar job when condoleezza rice was secretary of state. he wasn't a political appointee, arguing with a career fbi official about what to classify. your government does this every day. that's what they do. these nerds and propeller heads, they just argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. that's what this was. >> as a nerd, i.