that the mike was on, because they were kind of boy talk and he was led on like -- egged on from the host to say dirty and bad stuff. >> you feel the host, billy bush, was sort of egging him on? >> yes, yes. >> is that language you had heard him use before? >> no, no. that's why i was surprised. i don't know that person that would talk that way. and that's -- he would say that kind of stuff in private. i heard many different stuff, boy's talk. the boys, the way they talk when they grow up and they want to sometimes show each other oh, this and that and talking about the girls. but yeah, i was surprised, of course.