but historians don't agree that the election was thrown that way. >> douglas, what about what -- what rudy said there that from his own experience, with his own election, that he saw people being bused in to places where they shouldn't have been voting. >> well that's rudy's own experience. i wasn't there what i can tell you is there are voting suppression in irregularities all throughout american history. i mean the whole story of the south was voter suppression, having jim crow laws, voter literacy tests. jimmy carter first ran for senate in georgia on a rigged election. they brought out a cemetery vote when he ran for state senator. he challenged in the court and got it reversed. so history is replete with illegal things going on during elections. but at this point in the 21st century to make the grandiose statement like trump is that the election is rigged is bogus. it's anti-democratic spirited anti-american at its core that there may be problems in some