people. if it becomes intentionally personal, that's not helpful to trump and it's definitely not helpful to the american people. >> although, gloria, if you're a trump supporter, a lot of people believe last night, you know, who support donald trump, that he stopped the bleeding, essentially, with his debate performance last night. >> well, what he did was sort of give a primary debate performance, to a great degree. so he was preaching to the choir, when he was getting personal about hillary clinton, i mean, "lock her up" has been the big cry at the republican convention and he did his own version of that last night, you know, "i'd put you in jail." the problem that i think some republicans had is that he can't win with his base. he's got to broaden this out. and the way he can do that is to talk about the issues that some conservatives wanted to talk about, which is, say, obamacare, or trade, or status quo versus change. hillary clinton is untrustworthy on the e-mails.