i mean, nobody likes a scold, a negative person. and that's, i think, the problem that we'll always confront, the liberal. >> i have to ask you what i was going to ask you at the start of this segment, which is the american dream. in many ways you personify the great american dream. >> i think so, too. >> what's happened to that dream now? is it the same? >> well -- >> should it be adapted for the modern era? what do you think? >> look at my own early history. i worked in a steel mill when i was 18 years old in the summer. i was a student at notre dame and i worked republic steel in canton, summer job. i don't know if -- do steel mills have summer jobs anymore? i'm not sure. but, you know, that's an experience for a 17, 18-year-old. i saw the fouled air and the soot and the grime and the heat