>> a somewhere fay -- very famous man established singapore. singapore is a country with democracy in the far east. he was having lunch with him one time and asked him what kind of democracy do you have? he said we have our own democracy. it's not u.s.-type democracy. what he meant by that, we have a system whereby by participation of the people has to be implemented. and i believe that saudi arabia will have to enact some new laws whereby participation of the people has to do one for another. >> what about the relationship of the saudi royal family to the religious establishment? ever since the taking of the grand mosque in mecca, the saudi royal family seemed to get into a deal where they ceded very important parts of the kingdom, education, religious affairs to fairly radical wahabi people. because they felt this would ensure there was no challenge to the monarchy. my sense is over the last five, seven years there has been a turn where it was recognized that this was not such a good idea.