those things. >> you have to walk out with people saying, i learned more about donny and marie. producers today leave out the heart and soul. that's what i learned from sammy davis, jr., frank sinatra. when you saw the shows you got to know them. what are you laughing at? >> that's true. i like it. >> we did qvc the other day. >> don't go into that. >> no, no. not even that. >> he left his fly down. >> he did. >> trying to sell records. >> i'll do anything to sell a record. >> just to continue what you were saysaying? >> what? >> learning from old school. we walk out, he grabs something somebody's selling and he models it. a producer cuts to a still shot of the product and i thought, boy, that is so not what i learned in television. we did to catch the live moments and see him modeling a dress. that's television. >> who would you liked to have -- today it's like, oh,