my story about fred wilpon. and frankly, i am sympathetic to wilpon on this score, that i didn't see going back into the history the red flags that fred and company knew or should have known that this was a ponzi scheme. you know, those of us who are not involved in the financial world, i never heard of bernie madoff until the story came out. >> right. >> in that world, madoff had a very good reputation. he was chairman of nasdaq for three terms. he had been investigated by the s.e.c. and cleared by the s.e.c. that is highly significant in my view if you are an investor with him. >> you're saying picard is overreaching. >> i think he is. >> because he's seeking a billion dollars back, what's that doing to the mets? >> well, the mets are in grave, grave trouble. first of all, they stink. i mean, the team is no good. i'm a mets fan. that's the thing. i'm also realistic about that. and so attendance is down. >> right. >> in addition, they've made a