deficit and we need balance. >> let's move over to expenditure side. where do you believe we could cut? what's the one program where you could cut the most? >> the president put a number of cuts on the table including things like community block grants and other proposals like that. my view is we have to take those cuts unless we can identify all ea alternative cuts. there are very responsible cuts in the defense area. you just have to talk to admiral mullen who said the debt crisis is a major security challenge. everyone has to contribute. people like governor haley barbour. >> last question. social security. can we, should we raise the retirement age over a course of 10, 15 years? >> i don't think we should for this reason. my view is that people who earn their living the way we do, yes, we could easily do that. the fact is if you are doing