protection of the minority rules. we have now, as you know, quite a lot of violence between christians and muslims, which should not happen, but it's the result of many factors of 60 years of repression and total chaos. people now, after the revolution, think revolution means chaos. right now socially we are disintegraing. economically we are not in the best shape. and politically, it's like a black hole. we do not know where we are headed. >> are you hopeful still that egypt's revolution will be successful and that it will be a model for the arab world? >> well, philosophically, if you look to other revolutions, there is always bumps in the road. i believe -- and i would like to believe that we will go in the right direction, but we'll have to do a lot of work to make sure that we learn from other revolutions. we learn from our own mistakes.