they're saying this is what george hincapie told the grand jury during testimony. now george is saying he never spoke to "60 minutes" and he has no idea where they got their information, and because of the federal investigation, he can't comment. lance armstrong has strongly denied all along these cheating allegations, saying he's taken 500 drug tests and all of those tests have come back clean. >> i heard them debating about this on espn. they said nobody wants to believe that lance armstrong could do this. he's done so much good, raised so much money for cancer research, but there seems to be all this information that keeps trickling out but he's always denied it. >> i think those that are holding onto the pure fact that there are legendary cyclists that have never used, they're