according to the american principle, this is unbearable. i'm not defending a friend. i'm defending the principle on which the bill of rights, the spirit of america, are built. >> you know, let me quibble with you a little bit. obviously i have been a prosecutor and i believe deeply in the presumption of innocence. it is an accord, foundation of our judicial system. but there is a difference between the presumption of innocence that attends to a criminal proceeding and the common sense judgments that are made by people out in the general public who see the evidence and make their determinations as a case unfolds. nobody has ever said to the public you must withhold all judgment until a jury speaks. they are the -- entitled, are they not to judge the voracity and credibility of this maid and make their own judgments even