was that he was going to be killed. per chance he were to be captured, i think the approach was to take him quickly to bagram, transfer him to a ship off shore and then have the principals at the white house decide what steps to be taken. >> two questions there. number one, easier to deal with, it sounds coarse to say it that way, easier to have him dead, than to hold him, how you would try him. >> you also have to move him at night with a helicopter crashed over a wall, somehow find a way to get him into a helicopter, do so without knowing who will intervene, when they're intervene and to do this, you also have to walk in to the equivalent of a shooting room and act as if you have 20/20 foresight before you even begin to think of seizing him. >> john, you know the business well. how well -- what's left of al qaeda, how will other anti-american whether islamist