to a year. and even at that, i'm not sure. these people are very difficult to train. there's no cohesive force. there are no military commanders. colonel hoftar is not capable of leading this force. we can't even identify commanders. the way we're doing it now, we're ensuring a conflict that could go on for years. >> soledad, if i could, follow on to bob, to that very point, you can -- the key thing that the rebels need to do is realize that they can -- if they're not going to win, at least they need to win by not losing. and right now they're losing. so a consolidation of some sort, and to bob's point, it may take time to achieve success but that is the thing that's in their favor and it's time. >> i'm going to ask both you gentlemen to stick around for a minute while we bring in ben wedeman in benghazi, which is the rebel stronghold in eastern libya. ben, i know you were in misrata earlier today and i know it wasn't for very long, but what