well, the world trade center buildings were tested against boeing 707s, that were bigger than the planes that hit. and the way it was designed, if it was punctured, it was like a screen door, it would cause damage right where the hit was, and this uniform collapse. and you look at the powder, if it collapsed, it would collapse in big chunks. >> jesse, your -- >> wait. then i was at the site two weeks after it happened with governor pataki, and they had to cease digging that day. you know why? they were finding pockets of molten liquid metal underneath. now, if everything take place, piers, 150 floors up, why was there molten metal underneath? it takes 1,000 degrees to melt metal. >> jesse, you're a patron? >> i don't know if i am. >> you consider yourself to be a good american? >> i've been a mayor, i've been a governor, and i served six years and was honorably discharged from the united states navy.