to get a lawyer because he likes to go on safari in africa and he couldn't believe he wasn't going to be able to do that. >> absolutely. crack that clan and he's done. those elite units will fall apart. the tribe will defect. and it will all be over. >> nic, very briefly, only about 30 seconds left, has saif gadhafi appeared -- i know i saw his daughter posing with troops in some areas. is he still around? >> reporter: we believe he is. certainly there are other members of the family around. again, these are details i don't want to go into. but there are other members of the family around. and i can say recently, assuredly that they haven't given up hope. they still believe in their father, and they're saying pretty much what they were saying before, anderson. >> nic robertson, thank you very