as well as military means to do so. pressure from arab countries from around the world. so he does have a strategy. is it a realistic strategy? >> well, he also told nbc news tonight wolf that there's a ponlt he's not ruling out arming the rebels. not ruling it in. not ruling it out. they can't point to particular things they would do to guarantee gadhafi would leave. the president is on the record saying that gadhafi needs to go. he can't unring that bell. and there are a lot of uncertainties. what if flst there's a stalemate? what if gadhafi decide to wait it out. the rebels seem to be taking a couple steps backwards. this is uncertainty that we're not use to in the country.