cardinal mckerik on catholic bishops speak eloquently about the importance of religious freedom. this is something i think all americans from all walks of life can come together on. >> i know you say one case is one too many. you've been quotes as saying you've seen a rampant increase in anti-muslim experiences. this is from 2009. 8.4% anti-islamic bias versus some 72% anti-jewish bias. when you look at the numbers, anti-islamic bias is quite small. what do you make of that number? because some people say that the instances of anti-muslim hate is small. and also, is it tough even collecting some of the data? >> well, a couple of things. number one, the hate crimes data that you were referencing doesn't pain the complete picture. in fact, the attorney general himself has said that the department's system for collecting hate crimes data is