to. but, you know, she -- she was a very -- i mean ultimately i became friends with her and, you know, i like -- the celebrities of that time, i mean, like people were saying, the paparazzi, they would literal live in the yard, i mean, the scandal of my father leaving my mother for elizabeth and i would spend over the years, i'd go -- i once was having a cooking lesson and the woman said to me, i hate your father. you know, he left her for that woman. people carried that scandal with them forever and they would talk to me about it in the abstract in a way. >> what did you think that your father ended up thinking about elizabeth? >> i know what he thought. he loved her. i mean my father said i was talking to him one of the last