>> okay. but if, if they're talking about does gadhafi go, what will they do? if he's already in benghazi and he does have overwhelming force compared to them, correct? >> correct, yes. >> so, it could all be moot if they don't get a move on. >> it could. although bear in mind he's not been at the gates of benghazi as we've been suggesting. there's propaganda battle on both sides. at the same time let's remember how difficult it was for benghazi to penetrate in zawiyah in the west. urban fighting is hard. there's a defensive advantage even with the inferiority in forces. so there is still time. >> so, unless he sort of basically, to put it crudely -- >> he may well do that. he's indiscriminately shelled urban areas. even so it still takes time and he will come up against grave resistance. and in that time -- >> you say grave resistance. where's this resistance? where's the arms coming from? we saw pun picture there, and we can see it again, of the plane