had you a couple guys impersonating wealthy muslim donors and set up a fake website. why isn't that unethical? >> journalists have been doing this for a long time. it's a form of investigative reporting that you use to seek and find the truth. people are not going to be honest with you when you have a notebook or your in front of a podium. vivian schiller at the national press club misled america when she said that -- that she needed federal money to survive. or she implied that. the next day, we have the chief fund-raising executive saying they don't and they don't want federal money in the long run. and i think reporters do a lot of stenographery in this country, a lot of damage control, punditry. but real investigative reporting -- >> and some networks have done this. there is less of it these days. the means justify the ends. you are willing to use deceptive