governor scott walker says thousands of state and local government workers will have to be laid off if democratic lawmakers don't come back home and work with republicans to pass his new budget. walker's plan cuts the state's budget deficit by stripping state workers of some of their collective bargaining rights. the governor says -- the alternative would be worse. >> as i said before i don't want to lay anybody off. the equivalent at the state level for the next budget would be 5,000 to 6,000 state government employees being laid off, and 5,000 to 6,000 local government employees, teachers, city workers, county workers and others out there. >> collective bargaining and unions are at the heart of the fight in wisconsin. and as of tomorrow, in ohio too. with us now, ron blackwell, chief economist for the afl-cio along with republican strategist, and cnn political