public employees of bargaining rights, freedoms to associate and negotiate that we've had in wisconsin longer than any other state. >> so what would you like to see done? >> the unions have agreed to the governor's economic concessions. there's no need for him to continue with the stripping them of their bargaining rights. it's a plain indication that what the governor is trying to do is bust the unions, and that's not fair. we had a long tradition, the longest tradition of any state in terms of public employee bargaining and it's worked well for us. so it's time for the governor to recognize this is a two-way street, not a dictatorship. >> wisconsin senator mark miller, we appreciate your time, and it's interesting talking to you about this issue that we've been following now for many days. thank you. >> you're welcome. when we come back, an amazing look at joseph lowery. how often do you get to chat with someone who is such an