badly treated by colonial powers from the world over and the egyptians finally reached their dignity. the tragedy of hosni mubarak is that here is a man who in fact took the dreams of egypt and crushed them completely. he crushed all independent people in the country and insisted on his own primacy in the country and they were done with him. >> ben, at this point, do we know exactly what happened? because this hour last night, mubarak had gone on state television and dug in, treating the protestors almost like children. suleiman had also gone on state television. and all of a sudden hours later he's -- they're announcing that he's gone. was this a coup? did the military just say to him, you have to go? do we know? >> reporter: we don't really have the exact details, anderson. but i think it was a combination of factors. for one, i think president mubarak and the people around him miscalculated the reaction of egyptians to his speech last night.