but his sense of humor, and he used that to his advantage when people questioned his intelligence, questioned his seriousness. we almost always turned it on them. >> robert louis stevenson has an essay about the world's great men, and he says you notice about the world's really great men a certain geniality, a certain easiness of person. the second-raters have to try to impress you but the first-raters don't have to. he was comfortable in his own skin. he had that common touch, but he knew what he wanted. there were two things he wanted. he wanted to take down the evil empire, the soviet union, communism. he said we will beat them. we will take them down. and he wanted to restore america to a sense of itself. i would say he was pre-eminent first and foremost in that task of taking down the communist empire. >> okay. >> and, yes, gorbachev's a guy you could work with, but don't forget his partner is margaret thatcher and pope john paul, fabulous and interesting