the dark unknown. >> as you are saying that, the gentle, warm, kind, sunny face that you had from the start of the interview went to a dark -- >> very dark. it's the dark at the top of the stairs, the shadow. >> it's the eyes as well. it's the whole thing. you are unnerving me by doing that. you became hannibal. >> don't look at me like that. why not? it's just make the eyes go dead. it's a simple trick. it's acting. >> do you have any vices now? >> any vices? >> yeah, any vices. >> yeah, i love buying books. i'm addicted to buying books. food is my vice. >> if you exercise stuff from your life now, you are alcohol-free for 35 years, drug