adult movies and one of the few porn stars who has managed to cross over into mainstream entertainment. so, hello, gentlemen. nice to have you on. craig, i just want to begin -- i want to begin with you. you know, as a pastor, what is your stance, first and foremost, on pornography? >> i'm against pornography, but we're for helping people that are caught up in it, and so to me i think it's fantasy. it's not reality. it's not what you're going to find in real sexual experiences, and the bible is pretty clear. run away were sexual sin, so what we're trying to do with national porn sunday is get people in the church, or out of the church, to talk about this subject that i believe is tearing apart homes, breaking apart marriages, and just -- it's not having a positive effect on families, and so we're trying to get that message out there. >> and we'll get to porn sunday in a moment, but obviously you say and the bible says, you know, no to porn, but then ron, to you. you meet this pastor. comes to porn conventions of all