if we're going to build up america, the budget, the deficit has to be dealt with at some point down the line no matter how we approach it. >> when you said people are savvy about it, we are savvy about this because people have had to struggle with this for the last few years. the movie several years ago where somebody accidentally gets into the white house and calls up his accountant buddy and says how do you balance the budget. it doesn't seem as complicated to average people as it seems to be once it gets to washington. this is very telling. good to see you. >> i think you're absolutely right. come out with us next time. >> that would be a fun trip. tom and ali on the bus. you enjoy it and say hi to everybody for me. it is 22 minutes after the hour. let me get you up to speed on the top stories right now. the labor department says 415,000 americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week, 42,000 fewer than the week before. and a better showing than many