suleiman takes over, as president, they can say we are moving forward and made a concession. i don't think that would be accepted. people are calling for remufrl of mr. mubarak and total change of regime and justice. if the social protest were to continue and overwhelm the regime, you would have an interim government and mr. ale baradei would be a part of it. >> i heard mrs. mubarak has already left egypt, in london and the son, gamal, in london. i don't know what you've heard. but there are a lot of reports that they have left. what are you hearing? >> i'm hearing the same thing from multiple sources, from british sources as well as arabic satellite sources, they are in london right now. we also heard yesterday and this, i think, was confirmed there were 17 or 18 private jets that departed from egypt and landed in the emirates. they included a number of very prominent businessmen including the 64th richest man in the world, telecommunications mogul, as well as a hated national democratic party figure, who resigned several days ago.