closer, in fact, they're much further away. if the intention was regime change in the middle east, that goal is very, very long way away from succeeding. >> do you think yemen has taken over from afghanistan as far as its global jihad an attacks on the united states? >> al qaeda continues to train werners in the tribal regions of pakistan. and then, of course, you have al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. a very talented bombmaker continues to make bombs trying to bring down american jets. >> you credit with the u.s. with actually helping strengthen al qaeda's cause. >> certainly the invasion of iraq, coercive interrogations, abu grain. the iraq war in particular was quite counterproductive and bin