depends what type of activity you're going afr. some of the street level extortions and drug stuff you can get through traditional law enforcement mechanisms. in the case that i brought, this is back in '90-'92, it's 20 years ago virtually, we had to run a series of sting operations, we we ran an undercover trucking company, a sweat shop to catch what we saw as organized crime infiltration in the garment sector where they owned and controlled all the trucking companies and we were able to send a big message and extract them from that sector. they have controlled the fish market, concrete, as you mentioned in it your introduction, the longshoremen union. the folks who, would on the docks have believed the union is under control of the mob. this case has elements of all of this, everything from murder to gambling to drugs to extortionings to union extortion. it's all here in the many, many indictments announced today. >> elliott, you talk about, we talk about how the fbi is in