but he was a bit player. joseph goebbels was a major propagandist, spreading lies about jews and you're comparing him to -- >> what if you compared a submarine commander -- or rommel and the ability to wage war in the desert with tanks? those were major nazis. rommel, he did turn against hitler, but they were masters at warfare. >> i don't understand why you have to bring the nazis into a discussion about health care and your opponents. your comments seem hypocritical given you just wrote an editorial about the dangers of hateful rhetoric and hateful speech. you wrote -- you really think your comments advance civility in the public discourse? >> i guess they don't advance civility, but i think telling lies is uncivil and somebody needs to stand up to the lies that are being told and the fact is, they were similar to what