he had another ammunition clip with him, which he had already put in that gun. it had 31 bullets in it. just by chance, anderson, the spring malfunctioned and the gun jammed. that gave pause and that gave two men an opportunity to tackle him. so this really could have been so much worse. >> drew, you talked about the history of this guy, the problems he had had in school. he got kicked out of school because of his bizarre behavior. there's a lot of heated political rhetoric, a lot of finger-pointing by republicans and democrats about whether the heated political rhetoric in this country in some way contributed to this. do we know anything -- i know the guy is a registered independent. was he particularly political? >> in the sense that he was odd in political ways. he would talk about the constitution. his free speech. i asked that math instructor, i said did he have any kind of political bent? anderson, he said if he had a