september stepped it up and made a huge difference in where we are now in terms of peaceful separation. >> finally, george, let me ask you, you've been following this issue for a long time. we have talked about it, and you are deeply knowledgeable about it. there are a lot of thorny issues to be negotiated. oil revenues, water sharing, all kinds of things. do you think that this is going to be a separation -- at the end of the day, do you think this is going to work? >> yes, i do. the separation will happen. that's -- i don't think that's an issue up for grabs anymore. the question will be ultimately, probably, abyei, an area right on the border, separated from this agreement, from the cpa agreement, and the question will be whether or not that area in particular, is able to be used as a pawn to create a smaller