this is a threat you face yourself exist tentally, that's one of the reasons it's reluctant to do that. >> any advice you have for the united states in this very treacherous waters to navigate? >> yes, i think the united states should take pakistan's army and its national security operators along with it. i think that in the final analysis, the road to kabul is via islamabad, and america and the pakistani army should be better partners, more trusting partners in trying to find a solution to this. pakistan does have a problem on both its borders and concerned about the sort of government that will eventually come into play in kabul and therefore, as the army chief of pakistan constantly says, pakistan seeks a friendly afghanistan. stable, peaceful, and friendly afghanistan. i think the word friendly is important. i don't think that's a contradiction with american names. the issue really is how to get