it. people have to pay for the cost that they create by using this gas. one of the few executives i've noun, so he is in favor of nukes and taxing. he's in fafr of efficiency. sort of a multifaceted plan. a lot of it makes sense. drilling is one part of it. he and i may disagree. we do disagree about his criticism of the obama administration. he soft pedalled the bp crisis in the gulf too much. >> we're locked in a two-year cycle. have you spoken to anybody? is anyone listening? he's talked to governors and mayors in the white house. he said it was a nice meeting cut shorter than planned and nobody was interested in what he had to say. we had ed rendell on the show. he was saying things in line with what hoffmeister said about