>> we've come to appreciate she's a figure that's like the church, mother church putting her arms around all of us, and we do need a mother. we want a woman who loves us and cares for us deeply. >> >> whatever the merits of her elevation, it was certainly a better fate than the one that befell mary of magdalene. not a harlet, scholars say, but a cherished disciple. >> as i think of historical mary magdalene, i think of a strong woman who could influence people, and was very smart. and was able to cut through arguments and to understand jesus as jesus wished to be understood. >> until one of the guys brought in some fresh bread that he'd made from our pale ale. and from that first bite, i knew my business would never be the same.