movement is asking for are unachievable and i'm not sure it's right. it's not do-able to say we want to cut spending. we want to reduce the deficit. but we don't want to increase revenue. this algebraic equation will not work. >> larry: can't have it both ways. >> you can't have it every way. when i hear people say, well we're going to cut spending and moderators or interrogators such as you say, how are you going to do it? they say we'll freeze spending. we'll freeze spending doesn't tell you anything. they never do it. don't tell me you're going to freeze spending. tell me what you're going to cut. what service are you not going to provide to the american people that they are now expecting? when you look at the growth of government in the last 10 or 15 years and people complain about that do you want to get rid of the transportation security administration? do you want to get rid of the homeland security department? the director of national intelligence? all the other things that have been created in the last ten or 15 years because the american people needed them. and so i've always been a