sister mary skucolion who is an expert in the field of affordable housing. i realized it didn't matter if you were white, black, young, old or democrat. the homeless issue can hit anybody at any time. after the economic downturn, what do we stand today. it is very difficult to make ends meet in foreclosures, et cetera. we started to focus. we build houses. 260 of them. >> larry: like the jimmy carter thing? >> with habitat, sometimes. in disaster relief i have had great experiences with habitat. case in point, by the one-year anniversary of katrina, we had paid for and built 28 houses in louisiana. you can get tax credits and you have corporate partners, private sector, my own money. we are able to get the job done. so 260 houses.