fair shake. and then she pushed forward john's populist agenda. there's no question about it. and they were a team. and there were no -- zero political decisions made as far as the campaign was concerned that she was not directly involved in. >> where did that come from with her because we all heard the john edwards story about how he grew up and his family's involvement in the textile mills and all of that. not so much elizabeth. where did she get that deep concern for people. >> well, elizabeth, and of course, jay and nancy are at the house now. when i leave here, i'm going back over and see them. they came from a naval family. of course, you know, her husband was a naval officer, a great -- her father was a naval officer, a great -- she had the military spirit of involveme