the things we're going to have to do eventually but in a more gradual way. what happens if you wait and wait and wait to deal with the debt you make yourself more vulnerable to a bond crisis, interest rate spike. you have to make sudden, harsh changes. very draconian. that's never good on a mass scale. >> particularly some of the changes being described, things that will tax, things that we don't already pay taxes on. things that affect the mortgage rate interest deduction. david gergen, cnn senior analyst, the debt commission is dealing with proposed changes we just talked about and social security, the age which we get it. taxes, defense spending, every single one a highly charged issue. listen to erskin bowls and what he said this week. >> solutions are all painful. there's no easy way out. for many years elected officials would be worried if they made