have revenues in terms of their companies that even exceed $250,000. okay? also, the people who make more -- people who earn more than $250,000 on the top 2% in terms of earners in this country, so when you also have people who make less than that, you're dealing with people who are likely families, kids in college, those who are also spending. they're the ones who need those cuts more than anybody else. and again, that's 98% of the people who earn money in the country, under $250,000. 98%. >> yeah, but roland, the independent businesses, more than 60% of small business people, would be affected by this 2% cut. those are the people in that 2%. let's not pretend that it's some anomaly of people up there. there are a great deal of people up there who don't necessarily need the tax cut but 60% of small business people in the country according to the national federation of independent businesses are in there and would be impacted. we can't pick and choose. >> don't make the argument that