>> let's be clear, too. these groups don't think homosexuality is normal. they think it's wrong. they think it is a menace to society. so they were all the ones who are making it harder for kids who feel isolated enough as it is, to come forward. i mean, this is not some sort of value-neutral approach by these conservative groups. they are trying to make homosexuality an outcast condition and that's part of the problem. >> absolutely. really, what that comes down to is being anti-child and anti-against the dignity of every single child that walks in the doors of that school. >> are teachers accountable, legally, if they see bullying going on and don't intervene? >> in extreme cases. if teachers are derelict in a very obvious situation where they don't warn a student or