have been charged, and in the case of michigan, we're talking about a grown man who holds office and is paid by the state of michigan. these aren't kids in a school. >> no, they're not. i think we really do have to have a campaign about online civility and i think we all have to realize we all have a role to play. >> but it seems milk toast to talk about online civility when in fact people die. >> sure. >> people's lives are shattered. >> and with traditional bullying people are also at greater risk so it's not surprising that we would see this would occur with cyberbullying as well. but we really need to be talking about how to be good to one another and the bystander role, just as we talk about it with kids or adults who witness bullying behavior. we've got to step up when we see this online and we need to start having the conversations about -- >> what is that conversation when you step up and see it online. i this know either side but this doesn't seem like good human behavior. >> right.