extreme cases. i think what we have to look at is someone is using their power over someone else. that is a form of bullying behavior. and we do know that traditional traditionally, kids are more likely to be targeted by bullying. i think we're still learning about all the particulars about these cases. however, what we do know is that technology is incredibly powerful. and when we use that power over others, it can really accelerate and amplify the negative behavior and the hurt that someone experiences. >> there's a couple of issues there. one is you said -- typically bullying is somebody using their power over someone else. when i was a little kid, bullies were the bigger kids or the most popular kids. that's how they exercise their power over someone else. the internet blurs that line. you don't actually have to be in a position of power. you don't have to be popular. >> right. >> you don't have to be physically large or intimidating