so when mayor bloomberg says we should earn tenure, absolutely. the tenure process is supposed to be only due process to say that after your probationary period of three years you'r a good teacher or not. so we should earn tenure. it should be something that is a high standard and we agree with the mayor about that. and i know that my successor in new york city has said he wants to work with her on that. >> i have to disagree with you about -- i don't think that's the message of the movie, is not to attack the teachers, i think it's really shining a spotlight on how we're failing our kids and how we as adults are failing -- >> larry: all of us. >> it's all of us. it's the teachers, it's the parents, it's the decision makers, government officials, all of us. and this goes back to what ben was talking about, where do we go wrong. well, ben, you know, when school pride went across the country,